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Update: Formerly named "jark & spyed Same Person? deviantART Bankrupt?" More links added, more to come soon.

The Rumor Mill

The rumor mill has been going into overload since late Wednesday night after the apparent loss of °jark, one of the co-founders of deviantART, as a staff member.

What I can tell you is that I've heard one side of the story, and it's not pretty. But rather the fuel the fire that seems to be burning throughout the community, I'd like to take this opportunity to do 2 things:

:pointr: Show my support for Scott Jarkoff (aka °jark)
:pointr: Show my support for the deviantART community as a whole

What Really Happened?

There's been a lot of speculation as to what happened, why it happened, and what will happen next as a result of the sudden change in status of the Yellow Alien. A lot of you have been tight lipped about what's going on, and that's probably better than others who have been throwing out crazy ideas such as:

:pointr: "OMG! i bet °jark and +spyed are the same person!"
:pointr:jark just resigned to spite everyone else"
:pointr: "i bet +spyed is TOTALLY having °jark's baby!"

Look, the fact of the matter is this: only 2 (possibly 3) people really know the full story. Until we get more facts, your wild speculations are just causing more harm than good.

The worst part is that we've not heard any official deviantART comment yet. Why? Is +spyed waiting to discuss the topic after things cool down? Is he even going to mention it to us at all? Are there legal issues to be worked out first?

I don't have the answers to those questions, but I can tell you that we as a community deserve to know sooner or later. If no official word comes down the pipe, the rumor mill will just keep churning out planks of compressed crap until the facts roll in.

Remember The Community

Some of you are talking about leaving, some of you are outraged at how this is being handled, and others are choosing sides. I can't blame anyone who falls under any of these categories.

However, let's not forget about the community as a whole. Leaving is probably not the answer, though it may make a point. How can we complain about where the site is headed if we're not trying to do anything about it?

And when you're picking sides, don't forget that when it comes down to it, we're all artists here. You may not like what happened, or you may agree with the decision, but don't make that the reason you're here. This site is more than just the people who run it and it'll take a lot more than a fury of disagreement among staff to take it down.

Support The Yellow Alien

I've seen quite a bit of "support °jark" messages thrown about the site in the last day or so, including a signature that said something to the effect of "remove all of your deviations and support °jark!"

You do whatever it is you feel you need to do to support him, but drastic measures may not be in order yet. We still don't have all the facts.

Look, I support Scott just as much as any of you, if not more. I've known him since 1996, before deviantART was even a glimpse in his eyes. I can tell you that Scott Jarkoff may be one of the most committed, honest people I have ever met. And it hurts me to see him not working on the brainchild that is rightfully his (even if this site belongs to the community and not any one person, mind you).

Your Admins

Right now many of your fellow admins here at deviantART are in a tough place. They're stuck between two sides of an argument, of which they can't speak of, and they're being scrutinized by the community.

Do your best to be mindful of what it must be like for them right now and please do not badger them with questions, ridicule or hateful comments.

I know many of the staff here at deviantART and I can tell you that this situation is not easy for any of them. They're trying to remain loyal to the community they care about, their boss, and a co-founder who is no longer one of them, all at the same time. Think about that for a second.

My Remarks

As you can tell, I'm doing my best to tread lightly on this subject and at the same time show my support for Scott. It's not easy to do. I'm
rather annoyed at what's happened, hearing one side of the story already (and weary of hearing the other).

I think it's pretty ridiculous that the 2 co-founders of deviantART are no longer involved in the decision making process for the site. I also think that lately there has been less attention to the "community" and more attention to "how can we get people to spend money here?"

And don't even bring up the "deviantART has to pay its bills somehow!" crap, I'm well aware of that.

I'm not leaving though, regardless of how things go down. There are more important things at stake here than money or power, though those 2 things need to be addressed for sure. I'm not sure how I'll proceed to support my feelings on what happened with °jark yet, but I'll figure that one out in time.



The yellow alien has fallen....

If jark resigns from staff, what impact will it have on deviantART?



Related links for the Yellow Alien Scandal (it's not really a scandal per se, but that's the way FOX News would spin it if they were reporting on the whole thing).

I'm leaving for Connecticut in a few minutes, so if I don't reply to your comments or your request to add your journal/poll/deviation/etc., that's why. I'll be online sporatically this weekend.

Update: Thanks for all the new info! I'm still adding things, so feel free to keep sending them my way via notes, comments, etc.

PS. Don't even ask how long this took to compile.....

deviantART Staff Resignations

If you want to get an idea of what's going on behind the scenes, this should give you a pretty good one.

`auralwhiplash
`brazensix :pointr: My Resignation.
`bzed
`Gameconomist
`dj-designs :pointr: Resignation
°euphoria :pointr: Goodbye, Yellow Alien
`jasonvelocity :pointr: Resigning
`omniomi :pointr: My Resignation
`radiositysg
`twosilverstars :pointr: resignation...
`velociraptor
`Zeros-Elipticus

deviantART Journal Entries:

`achfoo :pointr: My Sincere Thoughts
!Aeon-Lord :pointr: Love thy admin
`alyn :pointr: My stance
`anjules :pointr: Hypocrites

From °arc, Another Original Staff Member
°arc :pointr: Jark's departure

~argo :pointr: News
`ashwynmayr :pointr: end of an era?
°attila :pointr: °Jark & 2005 Philadelphia devMEET
`b0x0rz :pointr: °jark or $jark?
~babysista :pointr: The Ubiquitous Question:
~baka-chan :pointr: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
~baka-chan :pointr: No deviations plz.
~baka-chan :pointr: and we keep moving
`bakka :pointr: $Jark
`bananasontoast :pointr: I have no words...
~Barbiedoll :pointr: Support Matteo too, grab a stamp!
`bellchild :pointr: Speechless.
~Bluecatdemoness :pointr: Time moves on
`blackzer0 :pointr: deviantART: Virtual? Reality.
`bluespeed9 :pointr: Jark.

°jark's Mother
`bookdiva :pointr: Jark--The heartbeat Goes On...
`bookdiva :pointr: Jark's Involuntary Removal
`bookdiva :pointr: Jark Did Not Voluntarily Resign
`bookdiva :pointr: Jark's Eternal Candle Flickers
`bookdiva :pointr: We Stay Focused For Jark
`bookdiva :pointr: Jark-His Involuntary Termination

`brazensix :pointr: My Resignation.
`brazensix :pointr: Community is spelt J-A-R-K
`chezza-t18 :pointr: in jark i trust.
`coxi :pointr: UPDATE: THE TRUTH (my ideas)
`crazyleafhead :pointr: Goodbye, Jark...
~Dagger13 :pointr: It will alwaysbe $Jark, no matter what they say!
$damphyr :pointr: Two Cents
$damphyr :pointr: Disgusted
`darkmoon3636 :pointr: Know that I'm pissed.
!darthmarlan :pointr: ...From Onestar...
~Destructionist :pointr: WHAT THE FUCK!?
`devilicious :pointr: DA's Founding Father
`devilicious :pointr: DO THE RIGHT THING
=devilious-red :pointr: Free Support-Jark Avatars!
~DizzyChii :pointr: EDIT: Goodbye Deviantart
`dj-designs :pointr: Resignation
!DJonasse :pointr: Listen Up
`duhcoolies :pointr: WHAT??!! JARK??!! FREAKIN' HELL!!!

°dygel Speaks
°dygel :pointr: On Why You Came Here In The First Place

+ekud :pointr: Thankyou & Goodbye.
`electricjonny :pointr: Good bye Jark, we will miss you.
~Enfero :pointr: Jark
~EnPsyane :pointr: Jark Gone?
°euphoria :pointr: Goodbye, Yellow Alien
`faithwalker :pointr: Our Founding Father
`flameturret :pointr: Featured Deviant: Scott Jarkoff [°jark]
~forevermore :pointr: on $jark gettin' the boot.
~fuhk :pointr: Join the Jark Side.
=dakth :pointr: The end of an era
`fuzzydemon :pointr: new bears
`Ghouldaddy :pointr: Long live the Probe...
*JamesBardolph :pointr: arse
`halfliquid :pointr: _-_?St[ill{_-_HERE__++_+
`hempingway :pointr: :|
`hesitation :pointr: 28: Away
*howling :pointr: Devious Journal Entry
~hyacinth116 :pointr: ...what happened? *edit*
`hyper-psycho :pointr: It's not April 1, it's the downfall of deviantART.
`hyper-psycho :pointr: Life and deviantART + Must Read Update
!icore :pointr: A Sad Day ...
~ivyc :pointr: Oh captain, my captain. UPDATE

From °jark Himself
°jark :pointr: Open Cargo Bay Door, Eject Yellow Alien
°jark :pointr: Spin The Yellow Alien Saucer In Circles!
°jark :pointr: Community, Stay Focused
°jark :pointr: Involuntary Termination

`jasonvelocity :pointr: Unsolved Mysteries
`jasonvelocity :pointr: Resigning
~Jeans16 :pointr: Jark is Gone!

One of Our Most Senior Members (The 3rd is a MUST READ)
`justthorne :pointr: A Plan of Action - the bedtime update
`justthorne :pointr: Put on Probation
`justthorne :pointr: An Open Letter, re: Admin thread

`juuhanna :pointr: What the hell?!
~kamiawolf :pointr: Can we have some answers please?
`karyaazure :pointr: YOU can help fight injustice. :|
^KasumiCR :pointr: THANK YOU...
~KewlioMZX :pointr: Fearless Leaders...Dismissed?
*SloeLoris :pointr: Jark's New Symbol...
`krash :pointr: A day of Yellow!!!
=laprasek :pointr: W-T-F?
~Lici-Rocker :pointr: The Saddest Day In The History Of DeviantART
~lightman-73 :pointr: Jark, dA, wtf ?
`limnersphere :pointr: Diminished

Another Hugely Senior Member (2nd entry is a MUST READ)
`liquify :pointr: she will be loved.
`liquify :pointr: The Passion of the Jark

Stop Directing Your Hate Here
$TheRyanFord :pointr: Departure
$TheRyanFord :pointr: Puppy n' Stuff

`londonxpress :pointr: My thoughts on DeviantART
~lonely-constellation :pointr: Whoa~:nod::heart:
~lpetrazickis :pointr: $spyed fires co-founders $jark and $matteo

°matteo, A Co-Founder's Response
°matteo :pointr: a response from a real co-founder

~mei0023 :pointr: Support $jark!
~Mewtwofan :pointr: WTF IS GOING ON?
~michirukoshi :pointr: +A Lack of Yellow+
`mick-mick :pointr: Thank you Jark.. for everything..
~miraikazuya :pointr: Nightmares do come true
`mirrorkills :pointr: A cold day for dA.
~mizuuko :pointr: WHY JARK?!

Old and New Entries
!mkinne :pointr: the future of deviantART?
(From December 2004, where +spyed comments, "This is a really odd journal entry. Why would we lose jark?")
!mkinne :pointr: :nod::jark:

`moeffju :pointr: Jark
~mountainhawk :pointr: Devious Journal Entry
`mp3chuck :pointr: :bye:
`mp3chuck :pointr: I Can't Keep Up
`Myangelofmusic :pointr: ?F.T.W?
~MyOwnFallacy :pointr: I may be leaving DA soon.
~natasha-marie :pointr: another journal about jark
~NazoNoOnna :pointr: Jack Bauer supports Jark!
~neek-zique :pointr: [= 170 = What the Fuck?! =]
`neo-the-foxycoon :pointr: Fabric Of Reality Destroyed
`neom :pointr: A phone conversation about jark.
`neom :pointr: To all a dA, I Remember When.
`newklear :pointr: with.the.lights.out.its.less.dangerous++
`ninjabrick :pointr: :[
`niwi :pointr: Devious Journal Entry
`omniomi :pointr: My Resignation
!onestar :pointr: Let's bring back THE COMMUNITY
°phae :pointr: SadPhaeDay
`p-51 :pointr: July, 28, 2005
~Phmall :pointr: jark /*edit*/
~Phmall-iota :pointr: 30/06/05
`picard102 :pointr: Wtf is going on?
~Pr0poganda :pointr: Is it for real?
~redness :pointr: Greedy Little Ninja Bitches
~RoseImmortal :pointr: Jark De-Adminned by Traitor! NEW: Jark's Journal
`Rushy :pointr: I support Jark
~ryan-gfx :pointr: 1-week-deadline/good-people/jark
!s33r :pointr: Devious Journal Entry
~shelly :pointr: a sad day at DA
~shelly :pointr: support a yellow alien!
~ShinobiDragon :pointr: /_+__dA_lo_st_a_fa_ther_+_
`silentkitty :pointr: Well.
~SoulManX :pointr: Jark, gone.
`splat :pointr: Hanging Up The $? (A whole string of comments were deleted, but are archived here)

From The CEO, +spyed (No mention of °matteo?)
+spyed :pointr: A Response
+spyed :pointr: deviantART is:

~sundeepr :pointr: Support Jark
`sycho :pointr: meh
`technographer :pointr: We Deserve Answers.
`the-faun :pointr: Jark
`the-faun :pointr: Goodbye deviantART
~the1bigboy :pointr: Devious Journal Entry
~theospix :pointr: TAKE DOWN YOUR DEVIATIONS
~TheHalcyon :pointr: Wicked Jarklove
!transferal:pointr: Goodbye, Jark. We'll miss you.
~TrappedChild :pointr: RIP: Now Retired, Once Beloved Adminstrator Jark
`twosilverstars :pointr: resignation...
~ViciousZen :pointr: Jarkage
`voodoo-prophet :pointr: Another one gone.
~vurtunetech :pointr: Mystery of Jark
`walloftruth :pointr: Edit: Please read.
`warfish :pointr: Let's just make it clear.
~WarthogDemon :pointr: Jark
~wintergal :pointr: Jark - Former Staff Member?
$y2jenn :pointr: Neither Left Behind or Forgotten
~yinlunghuang :pointr: WHAT?! Jark is no longer the admin?!
`zerocomplex :pointr: Where Art meets Bullshit
`Zeros-Elipticus :pointr: Never forget the Yellow Alien
~zhal :pointr: Jark, *sob* *sob*
`zlim :pointr: Jark

deviantART Polls:

`frail :pointr: Will you leave?
=dakth :pointr: Will deviantART be different without Jark heading the community development team?
!onestar :pointr: What is DeviantArt more these days?
~ryan-gfx :pointr: What do you hate MOST about the recent events?
`splat :pointr: If jark resigns from staff, what impact will it have on deviantART?

Related Deviations


:pointr: We Devart Support $Jark by ~fuhk


:pointr: August 7th: TBTC by ~fuhk


:pointr: all my base r belong 2 $jark by `chezza-t18

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:pointr: Support Jark by ~RaAnan


:pointr: Yellow Day Stamp by ~Chromakode


:pointr: Thank You Stamp by ~Glomper

:thumb21128328:
:pointr: why? by !toffee

:thumb21107586:
:pointr: Yellow ribbon-Jark by ~Fatboy72


:pointr: Goodbye Jark... by `crazyleafhead


:pointr: Things That Make You Go Hmm... by °jark


:pointr: The Future of DeviantART? by `newklear


:pointr: Justice for Jark by ~SubterfugeMalaises


:pointr: Fall of a Hero - JARK by ~QMdesigns


:pointr: A tribute to Jark by ~danes-sweety


:pointr: we want jark back by ~sundeepr


:pointr: Support by ~baka-chan


:pointr: ...for the love of $jark... by ~yakitora


:pointr: Support $Jark by ~matthewedwardcornish

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:pointr: Save $jark by ~willowtree90

:thumb21139764:
:pointr: Not MY deviantPOLITICS by ~leliathomas

:thumb21229556:
:pointr: Bring Back the Bling by ~leliathomas

:thumb21212041:
:pointr: He Wants You by ~nillia


:pointr: Hang In There by *kidchan


:pointr: How to Support DA by ~chiachrome


:pointr: the House of deviantART by ~John-Le-Fucker

Related deviantART Avatars

Removed these since the list was getting too long and I don't like having that many avatars in a journal entry.

deviantART Forum Threads

`liquify :pointr: jark is no longer staff!!?! (Seniors only)
`Ghouldaddy :pointr: The Day After (Seniors only)
`the-faun :pointr: New Seniors Project: A Boycott (Seniors only)
~TrendyDNA :pointr: DeviantART going corporate?
~SoulManX :pointr: Jark Gone?!
~FoY- :pointr: Show °Jark you care.
`krash :pointr: August 7th 2005 is Yellow Day
!Zaio :pointr: Bring Back jark

Jark Support Initiatives

:iconsavejark:
:pointr: ~savejark account

:iconjusticeforjark:
:pointr: ~JusticeForJark account

:iconwe-support-jark:
:pointr: ~we-support-jark account

:iconsupportjark:
:pointr: !SupportJark account

Non-Deviation Images







Mentions Elsewhere

:pointr: Waxy.org Links

"Deviant Art co-founder Scott Jarkoff involuntarily forced out (some serious drama, leading to a pro-Jark backlash on the homepage)"

:pointr: ffwd Linklog

"DeviantArt co-founder Scott 'Jark' Jarkoff 'no longer employed' by site (His termination has set off all kinds of controversy, and the most
popular art on the site's front page right now is all pro-Jark.)"

:pointr: WinCustomize: Goodbye to Jark?

"Several critical policies on DeviantArt were broken in this restructure, including the near-sacred rule of never removing comments. This freedom of speach and action formed one of the core foundations of DeviantArt: The ability to speak up in all situations and have your opinions heard. Deviations were removed, comments edited, and people banned in order to keep something quiet. No rock-solid details are available, but Jark himself seems supportive of the measures taken by fans to lend their shoulders to his cause."

:pointr: digg: deviantART founder Jark fired

"As the title says, deviantART is on its way down. Just about 24 hours ago co founder Scott Jarkoff was removed from the staff due to a 'conflict'."

Other Related Links

:pointr: Scott's Personal Site, watch here for the truth about what happened
:pointr: Reinstate jark! Sign the petition from ~vurtunetech
:pointr: #TheArmyofJarkness on dAmn
:pointr: Flickr Photostream from Scott (preserving information in case it gets deleted from deviantART)
:pointr: Scott's deviantART email address is removed
:pointr: t52.org and The Truth about the Alien have posted an internal email from °jark to +spyed and $mccann
:pointr: thoughts on the state of deviantART, post-jark from ~shelly
:pointr: Yellow Ribbon from ~diffuze
:pointr: Like hell. from ~leliathomas
:pointr: Wikipedia Entry now mentions °jark's demotion
:pointr: deviantART's Founders from 2000, as stated by the site itself
:pointr: LiveJournal user claims to have helped get °jark fired (+spyed comments below)



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:iconbenjieguy:
Great Journal entry and I know it's pretty old now but I that whole issue pretty well. Seems like alot of things were never really cleared up and like you said in your most recent journal that you haven't been as active since this happened I know that I symphathize with you on that, it's just never been the same.

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Good job keeping this up to date. There's a nice little discussion going on at my place too. If you have time to read it, I think you should.

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=judylee Aug 3, 2005  Professional Traditional Artist
Personally I am not leaving...YET> I will wait to see how this all plays out. But, I know for me if jark is gone for good this site will never be the same. Because of all that has happened here things are very lopsided. If jark is not reinstated to his liking I know that I will lose interest here. And, even though I am a really new member, I have grown to love this site unlike any other. But, I will leave. Yes, it will effect me, emotionally, but I will move on and so will my art. I only hope that if that is the case jark will begin another site. I will be there you can bet on it and so will many others. I do not wish ill will to anyone, I just want answers, REAL answers and the only ones I am getting are from jark and those that have resigned. All I hear from spyed is spin. I am not dumb and neither are any of the rest of us. We need answers, REAL answers, with truth to back it up. Please own up and give it to us. If you made a mistake , well we can understand, we have all made a few of those.

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~TrappedChild Aug 3, 2005  Hobbyist Photographer
I have a new and 'interesting journal entry' if you'd like to update it in your journal. [link]

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~Th3-Virus-M4triX Aug 3, 2005  Professional Interface Designer
Jarki support U!!
we should create ur own "house" and we just dont follow u, we will help u dude
we , u, meh, us rock dA!!
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:iconfoundry:
sighs is DA gonna be dead :(

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:iconhowling:
...the hell?

I missed something! So it shows again! When i'm not here things just fall apart! =P
I support DA and Jark no matter what. Running a website the size of DA let alone a business is tough work. Especially if you've put your livelihood in it.

Haven't read the stories. Not going to either. DA is a great community and it should remain that way.

Don't let yourself go mad.

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`Lilyas Aug 2, 2005  Professional General Artist
Thank you very much for this great collection of links!

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~daggerpoint Aug 2, 2005  Professional Digital Artist
[link] - My small token of appreciation to °jark for co-founding DeviantART.

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:iconshelly:
[link] ~ my current journal entry, entitled "support a yellow alien!" :)

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